FrOg On-Line #2000-01

Welcome to FrOg On-Line #2000-01, Thursday, January 13, 2000.


1. Introduction
2. Picking Table
3. The Glowing Future
4. Trotter Dump Collecting and Field Trip Insurance
5. "Subscriber" List

1. Introduction

I'm BAAAAAaaaaak!  My pc insisted it was Dec. 31, 1970 for the first two days
of this year, then it crashed.  After wrestling with it a few hours, I got it
working again, but it believes it's 1988.

In the last FrOg On-Line, I did not refer to the fluorescent mineral list
printed in the Franklin Show program by its correct title: "Fluorescent
Minerals of Franklin and Sterling Hill, N.J.", and I failed to credit it to the
person responsible for the list: Dick Bostwick.  My apologies.

One of the primary purposes of FrOg On-Line is to be a discussion forum about
FrOg minerals, geology, specimens, and mines.  So e-mail me your questions,
comments, and observations.

This is the only FrOg On-Line I plan to send out before the Tucson Show.  Those
of you who are going to the show: Have a good trip, and good luck.  I will not
be there this year.

Welcome to 2000 (or 1988).  Enjoy.

2. Picking Table

I received my 1999 Picking Table on Wednesday, January 05.  All FOMS members
should have received theirs by now.

Pete Chin provides the following report on the next Picking Table:

  From: "Chin, Peter" <Peter.Chin@USPTO.GOV>
  Subject: RE: PT.
  Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:23:56 -0500 


  There are currently a number of articles in the development stage. I am hoping
  that at least two of these will be ready for the Spring PT. The format for the
  front cover has been completely changed to inagurate the new millinium. I will
  have more to say later.

3. The Glowing Future

The information in this section comes from the September 1999 Franklin Mineral
Museum Newsletter, the Fall/Winter 1999 Sterling Hill Newsletter, the flyer for
the NJESA Show, and Doug Mitchell's FMS Online, and December e-mail from Dick

Saturday, April 15, 2000:
  Mine Run Dump night collecting, 6:30 P.M. to 9 P.M., Sterling Hill Mining
    Museum foundation members only.

Saturday, April 29, 2000:
  "Pond" (outdoor swap and sell).
  NJESA Show, 9 A.M. to 5:30 P.M., Robert E. Littell Community Center and
    Hardyston Township School.
  Trotter Dump collecting, 9 A.M. to 7 P.M., fee is $20 + $1/pound.  The $20
    fee covers night collecting also.
  Trotter Dump night collecting, 7:30 P.M. to 11 P.M., fee is $20 + $2/pound.

Sunday, April 30, 2000:
  "Pond" (outdoor swap and sell).
  NJESA Show, 10 A.M. to 5 P.M., Robert E. Littell Community Center and
    Hardyston Township School.

Saturday, May 06:
  Appreciation Day and Millennium Celebration.

Saturday, May 20, 2000:
  Passaic and Noble Pit collecting, 9 A.M. to 3 P.M., Sterling Hill Mining
    Museum foundation members only.

Tuesday, June 06: Annual Spring Night Dig and Mineral Sale.

Sterling Hill Mining Museum
  closed thru February 29 except by special appointment.
  March: open weekends 10 A.M. to 5 P.M., tour at 1 P.M., weather permitting.
         open weekdays for group tours by appointment.
  April: open seven days a week 10 A.M. to 5 P.M.
         weekday tours at 1 P.M.
         weekend tours at 11 A.M., 1 P.M., and 3 P.M.

Franklin Mineral Museum
  closed thru March 03.
  March: open weekends 11 A.M. to 3 P.M., collecting available weather
         weekdays by appointment.
  April thru November: open daily 11 A.M. to 3 P.M.
  Sunday, April 23, 2000 (Easter): closed.
  Thursday, November 23, 2000 (Thanksgiving): closed.

4. Trotter Dump Collecting and Field Trip Insurance

I received the following e-mail queation from dave Slaymaker, and sent a copy
of the message to Dick Bostwick:

  Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:31:40 -0800 (PST)
  From: David Slaymaker <>
  Subject: Trotter Dump

  Hi Bill,

  I got the FROG and was wondering if you could answer a question for me.

  To dig at the Trotter dump it says we have to have proof of personal
  liability coverage... and that some of the mineralogical organizations have
  that ... or something like that.  Is my being a member of FOMS good enough?
  Can I go on the Trotter dig?  

  Best wishes, and may your computer survive the y2k!


Dick provided the following reply:

  Subject: Re: question.
  Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:22:15 GMT

  The last word about the Trotter trip lies with its sponsor, the Delaware
  Valley Earth Science Society (DVESS).  The last word about the liability
  insurance carried by FOMS lies with its officers. Just the same, I'll tell
  you what I know.

  I don't happen to have the DVESS literature with me, but I believe you can
  find out all you need to know about next year's Trotter Dump field trip on
  their website:


  There's another related site:

  I would check those before putting anything in FrOg about the trip itself.
  However, to answer your correspondent's question as best I can, both the
  owners of the dump and the organizers of the trip want all participants to
  have liability insurance, the purpose of which is to protect those owners and
  organizers.  The Eastern Federation of Mineralogical and Lapidary Societies
  (EFMLS) makes such liability insurance available to all its member clubs.
  Coverage must be purchased in addition to EFMLS membership, but most EFMLS
  clubs buy it, and some clubs joint the EFMLs just so they can buy the
  insurance.  Most quarry and property owners, at least in the northeast,
  require a club have such insurance before they will allow field trips on
  their property.

  FOMS is an EFMLS member club, and it buys EFMLS insurance for its members.
  So the answer is yes, the Trotter Dump field trip liability insurance
  requirement for participants is satisfied by FOMS membership.  A paid-up FOMS
  membership card for the year 2000 should be carried along on the Trotter
  trip, as evidence of coverage.

  The EFMLS insurance policy with which I was familiar when I was an FOMS
  officer was simply a blanket policy for the club's officers and the property
  owner, in case they are sued for an injury sustained during a field trip.
  The policy did not provide liability insurance of any kind for an individual
  club member on club functions and field trips.  The EFMLS has been fiddling
  around with some kind of expanded insurance but I don't know the details.

  If you really need to know the exact nature of the EFMLS/FOMS insurance, you
  should ask John Cianciulli or Steve Kuitems.

  Dick Bostwick

Steve Kuitems adds the following:

  From: "Steven M. Kuitems" <>
  Subject: reply to ins. query 
  Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:28:21 -0500

  Dear Bill,

  I believe that Dick B. was correct in his analysis of the field trip ins.
  question. To participate in club type activities of this sort we require that
  the participants be an EFMLS affiliated club member. That is assuming this is
  an official club sponsored event (eg. DVES club or whatever). This is not a
  personal liabilty ins. but a third party type of coverage to protect the club
  and owners but this type of coverage does not provide coverage of an
  individual if they injure themselves.

  Some people have been confused on this issue thinking that the federation
  policy is like a type of medical insurance...I do not believe there is any
  coverage like that implied in the EFMLS policy.  Personaly I would just advise
  people to have proof of their participating, currently valid, club and
  federation membership cards as we have done for the FOMS. That being said I
  believe Don Halterman et al. should be consulted to verify that this is what
  the current owners of the property require since this is not an FOMS
  officially sposored field trip.

  Hope all is well with you and a happy and healthy new year as well.

  Steven M Kuitems DMD

5. "Subscriber" List

NJ   Larry Berger
NC   Alan Borg 
NY   Dick Bostwick
NJ   Mark Boyer
CA   Kevin Brady         kbrady@cslanet.cals
PA   Bob Carnein
VA   Peter Chin          Peter.Chin@USPTO.GOV
NJ   John Cianciulli
MD   Gary Grenier
MN   Tim Hanson
NY   Tema Hecht
CA   Andy_Honig
CA   Mark_Isaacs
     John Jaszczak
NY   Carl_Kanoff
NJ   Steve Kuitems
FL   Roy_Lambert
     Jay Lininger
PA   Mike Logan
MD   Bill Mattison
CA   Dan McHugh
CA   Doug Mitchell
CO   Pete Modreski
WA   Don Newsome
NJ   Jeff_Osowski
AZ   George Polman
NJ   Nathan Schachtman
NY   Paul Shizume
NJ   Dave Slaymaker
CA   Jane Grover-Smith
CA   Kent Smith
NJ   Chris Thorsten
NJ   Jim Tozour
NJ   Earl Verbeek
     Herb Yeates             Japan
CA   Wayne_Young

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